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		<title>By: c</title>
		<link>http://slakethirst.com/2005/07/18/slakethirst-west-indies-falernum/#comment-4772</link>
		<dc:creator>c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;seezee&lt;/b&gt;: see the comment above yours. It's from a local housewares store, sold empty. So, it is what it is: a "&lt;a href="http://www.kitchenkaboodle.com/product_detail2.php?sku=3-88540%212004&#038;multi=1" rel="nofollow"&gt;clamp-top glass flask&lt;/a&gt;," made in Italy,  for whatever you want it to be. 

Looks like they're available at &lt;a href="http://www.containerstore.com/browse/Product.jhtml?searchId=12596385&#038;itemIndex=2&#038;CATID=74066&#038;PRODID=62125" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Container Store&lt;/a&gt;, if that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>seezee</b>: see the comment above yours. It&#8217;s from a local housewares store, sold empty. So, it is what it is: a &#8220;<a href="http://www.kitchenkaboodle.com/product_detail2.php?sku=3-88540%212004&#038;multi=1">clamp-top glass flask</a>,&#8221; made in Italy,  for whatever you want it to be. </p>
<p>Looks like they&#8217;re available at <a href="http://www.containerstore.com/browse/Product.jhtml?searchId=12596385&#038;itemIndex=2&#038;CATID=74066&#038;PRODID=62125">The Container Store</a>, if that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: seezee</title>
		<link>http://slakethirst.com/2005/07/18/slakethirst-west-indies-falernum/#comment-4769</link>
		<dc:creator>seezee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was wondering what you could tell me about the bottle that you customized. i've been looking for a similar one for my own batch of falernum, if i ever get around to making more. a friend of mine is going to help me sandblast it so i don't have to mess with glocco etching.

is it an old whisky bottle? french lemondade? or something else?

--cz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was wondering what you could tell me about the bottle that you customized. i&#8217;ve been looking for a similar one for my own batch of falernum, if i ever get around to making more. a friend of mine is going to help me sandblast it so i don&#8217;t have to mess with glocco etching.</p>
<p>is it an old whisky bottle? french lemondade? or something else?</p>
<p>&#8211;cz</p>
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		<title>By: c</title>
		<link>http://slakethirst.com/2005/07/18/slakethirst-west-indies-falernum/#comment-957</link>
		<dc:creator>c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, it came from a local housewares store, &lt;a href="http://www.kitchenkaboodle.com/product_detail2.php?sku=3-88540%212004&#038;multi=1" title="Kitchen Kaboodle: Clamp-Top Flask" rel="nofollow"&gt;Kitchen Kaboodle&lt;/a&gt;, though I've seen similar flasks at &lt;a href="http://www.worldmarket.com/" title="Cost Plus World Market" rel="nofollow"&gt;Cost Plus&lt;/a&gt; and the odd grocery store.  Made in &lt;strike&gt;China&lt;/strike&gt; Italy and dirt-cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, it came from a local housewares store, <a href="http://www.kitchenkaboodle.com/product_detail2.php?sku=3-88540%212004&#038;multi=1" title="Kitchen Kaboodle: Clamp-Top Flask">Kitchen Kaboodle</a>, though I&#8217;ve seen similar flasks at <a href="http://www.worldmarket.com/" title="Cost Plus World Market">Cost Plus</a> and the odd grocery store.  Made in <strike>China</strike> Italy and dirt-cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: William DeGroot</title>
		<link>http://slakethirst.com/2005/07/18/slakethirst-west-indies-falernum/#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>William DeGroot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did you find the great swing-top flask?
The addition of ginger may alter the balance, but I will try it in the next batch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you find the great swing-top flask?<br />
The addition of ginger may alter the balance, but I will try it in the next batch.</p>
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		<title>By: eG Forums -&#62; Non-velvet falernum?</title>
		<link>http://slakethirst.com/2005/07/18/slakethirst-west-indies-falernum/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>eG Forums -&#62; Non-velvet falernum?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Slakethirst also detailed recent homemade falernum experiments, complete with taste comparisons with Velvet Falernum (and check out the bottle design&#33;). A previous post on that site also compares VF to Fee&#39;s, with more praise being given to the former [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Slakethirst also detailed recent homemade falernum experiments, complete with taste comparisons with Velvet Falernum (and check out the bottle design&#33;). A previous post on that site also compares VF to Fee&#39;s, with more praise being given to the former [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: c</title>
		<link>http://slakethirst.com/2005/07/18/slakethirst-west-indies-falernum/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Alice: you and yours are always welcome.  I'm happy to ply you with clovey limeness any day.  ;)

And re: Paul, sadly, I lack for Cruzan Blackstrap.  Fortunately, I have a pressing need to restock Boodles and Plymouth, so I can remedy the situation forthwith.  I've just tried the Zig-Zag method both with Taylor's and my own falernum,  substituting Myers's Original Dark for the Blackstrap ... not sure which I preferred, but neither seemed a patch on a Corn 'n Oil made with Mount Gay Eclipse (being Bajan, it seems an apropos match for falernum).  There's more to this than meets the eye, and I've no qualms investigating further. Shall have to wait a bit, though... four ounces of Jamaican rum taken in the noonday sun require a respectful period of metabolization before moving onward. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Alice: you and yours are always welcome.  I&#8217;m happy to ply you with clovey limeness any day.  <img src='http://slakethirst.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And re: Paul, sadly, I lack for Cruzan Blackstrap.  Fortunately, I have a pressing need to restock Boodles and Plymouth, so I can remedy the situation forthwith.  I&#8217;ve just tried the Zig-Zag method both with Taylor&#8217;s and my own falernum,  substituting Myers&#8217;s Original Dark for the Blackstrap &#8230; not sure which I preferred, but neither seemed a patch on a Corn &#8216;n Oil made with Mount Gay Eclipse (being Bajan, it seems an apropos match for falernum).  There&#8217;s more to this than meets the eye, and I&#8217;ve no qualms investigating further. Shall have to wait a bit, though&#8230; four ounces of Jamaican rum taken in the noonday sun require a respectful period of metabolization before moving onward. <img src='http://slakethirst.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://slakethirst.com/2005/07/18/slakethirst-west-indies-falernum/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The falernum mucking-about continues...last week I was presented with a small amount of Velvet Falernum, so was able to do some side-by-side comparison in the Chronicle's test kitchen. I'll spare you the lengthy details, but the conclusion was: stick with the homemade. Spice it up a bit more in the next batch (as you've already mentioned), and spritz in some fresh lime juice while mixing to liven up the flavor (and to more closely match the recipe in the commercial product), and the taste will easily beat that of VF. 

But here's the real winner: Murray Stenson, bartender extraordinaire at Zig Zag Cafe here in Seattle, turned me on to what's basically a variation of the Corn 'n Oil, that I believe is the best falernum-containing drink I've yet tasted:

2 ounces Cruzan Blackstrap Rum (really dark, really rich)
1/4 - 1/2 ounce falernum, to taste
juice of about 1/4 lime, again to taste--not too much, though--you're not shooting for tartness, just bright fresh fruitiness

Shake, strain into ice-filled tumbler. Murray doesn't use bitters in this, but the next time I make one (maybe tonight) I'll toss in some Fees OFAB and see what happens. I've tried it with VF and with the homemade falernum, with good results each way (though my bias leans toward homemade). 

If you wind up making one of these with your batch of falernum, I'd be curious to hear the result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The falernum mucking-about continues&#8230;last week I was presented with a small amount of Velvet Falernum, so was able to do some side-by-side comparison in the Chronicle&#8217;s test kitchen. I&#8217;ll spare you the lengthy details, but the conclusion was: stick with the homemade. Spice it up a bit more in the next batch (as you&#8217;ve already mentioned), and spritz in some fresh lime juice while mixing to liven up the flavor (and to more closely match the recipe in the commercial product), and the taste will easily beat that of VF. </p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the real winner: Murray Stenson, bartender extraordinaire at Zig Zag Cafe here in Seattle, turned me on to what&#8217;s basically a variation of the Corn &#8216;n Oil, that I believe is the best falernum-containing drink I&#8217;ve yet tasted:</p>
<p>2 ounces Cruzan Blackstrap Rum (really dark, really rich)<br />
1/4 - 1/2 ounce falernum, to taste<br />
juice of about 1/4 lime, again to taste&#8211;not too much, though&#8211;you&#8217;re not shooting for tartness, just bright fresh fruitiness</p>
<p>Shake, strain into ice-filled tumbler. Murray doesn&#8217;t use bitters in this, but the next time I make one (maybe tonight) I&#8217;ll toss in some Fees OFAB and see what happens. I&#8217;ve tried it with VF and with the homemade falernum, with good results each way (though my bias leans toward homemade). </p>
<p>If you wind up making one of these with your batch of falernum, I&#8217;d be curious to hear the result.</p>
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		<title>By: alice</title>
		<link>http://slakethirst.com/2005/07/18/slakethirst-west-indies-falernum/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why haven't I been invited over to taste this delectable liquid?  I like clove and limes.  I'm fun to offer drinks to.  

It really is a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why haven&#8217;t I been invited over to taste this delectable liquid?  I like clove and limes.  I&#8217;m fun to offer drinks to.  </p>
<p>It really is a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: c</title>
		<link>http://slakethirst.com/2005/07/18/slakethirst-west-indies-falernum/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent! I'm happy to hear that someone else is mucking with falernum as well. Please do riff on it...  the recipe above needs work, but I'm pretty certain that I'm right about the sugar content. I really should dust off my hydrometer and check to see what the real stuff weighs in at.

The real surprise is that in comparing &lt;a href="http://recipes.egullet.org/recipes/r206.html" title="Velvet Falernum Syrup - a more reasonable amount" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rachel Perlow's "more reasonable amount" recipe&lt;/a&gt; against &lt;a href="http://recipes.egullet.org/recipes/r110.html" title="DeGroff's Falernum at eGullet" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dale DeGroff's original recipe&lt;/a&gt; I realized that he calls for a 1:4 ratio with a &lt;b&gt;2:1&lt;/b&gt; simple syrup!

Talk about kicking oneself with vigor... I just peered at the fine print on my bottle of VF and discovered that they actually &lt;em&gt;list&lt;/em&gt; the ingredients: "Lime Juice, Sugar, Almond and Clove Essences, Water, White Rum."   I'd never looked,  just assuming it would be like Drambuie, Chartreuse or Angostura, whose constituent elements are only known to five oath-bound members of the ancient and secret company sect.  This would seem to rule out ginger, and yet &lt;a href="http://www.drinkboy.com/Cocktails/recipes/BermudaRumSwizzle.html" title="Falernum at DrinkBoy" rel="nofollow"&gt;DrinkBoy&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.cocktaildb.com/ingr_detail?id=309" title="Falernum in the CocktailDB" rel="nofollow"&gt;CocktailDB&lt;/a&gt; and others definitely identify ginger as being a component of falernum. As you say, it would seem to be a good candidate for a source of the peppery.

The question really becomes: is John D. Taylor's Velvet Falernum the acme of falernums? Is it &lt;em&gt;the falernum&lt;/em&gt; to attempt to reproduce?  It claims to be the Original Formula, but there have certainly been other brands, and the others may well have been what many drinks were designed for... some as thick and sweet as DeGroff's recipe, others perhaps more fanciful, calling for ginger, vanilla and unnamed fruits and spices.

I'm preaching to the choir, of course, since this is damned near the same problem you document in the history of the Gimlet: Unsweetened Canadian Rose's or Sweetened American?  Cordial or Juice?  High Fructose Corn Syrup or Cane Sugar as sweetener?  Is today's product -- even if it trades under the same name -- anything like the one that Baker stocked his galley with?

Next time around I think I &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; try some ginger, and perhaps some allspice and a vanilla bean while I'm at it.  I think I'm satisfied with the zest method, though I know it to be "wrong" ... the lime juice in VF makes it similar to Rose's in some ways, and I'm not a fan of Rose's (give me a G&#38;T with the juice of half a lime over a Gimlet any day). Hell, maybe I'll marinate the zest &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; use the juice, for the authoritative earthiness of the oils and the bright notes of juice. 

I probably won't mix up another batch in the immediate future, but ultimately I think the target is a homemade falernum that passes the Corn 'n Oil test.  If a mixture of falernum X and rum can make me think "Cuba Libre" then it's probably just about perfect.  Given their origins and adherents, the similarities between the two can't be coincidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! I&#8217;m happy to hear that someone else is mucking with falernum as well. Please do riff on it&#8230;  the recipe above needs work, but I&#8217;m pretty certain that I&#8217;m right about the sugar content. I really should dust off my hydrometer and check to see what the real stuff weighs in at.</p>
<p>The real surprise is that in comparing <a href="http://recipes.egullet.org/recipes/r206.html" title="Velvet Falernum Syrup - a more reasonable amount">Rachel Perlow&#8217;s &#8220;more reasonable amount&#8221; recipe</a> against <a href="http://recipes.egullet.org/recipes/r110.html" title="DeGroff's Falernum at eGullet">Dale DeGroff&#8217;s original recipe</a> I realized that he calls for a 1:4 ratio with a <b>2:1</b> simple syrup!</p>
<p>Talk about kicking oneself with vigor&#8230; I just peered at the fine print on my bottle of VF and discovered that they actually <em>list</em> the ingredients: &#8220;Lime Juice, Sugar, Almond and Clove Essences, Water, White Rum.&#8221;   I&#8217;d never looked,  just assuming it would be like Drambuie, Chartreuse or Angostura, whose constituent elements are only known to five oath-bound members of the ancient and secret company sect.  This would seem to rule out ginger, and yet <a href="http://www.drinkboy.com/Cocktails/recipes/BermudaRumSwizzle.html" title="Falernum at DrinkBoy">DrinkBoy</a>, <a href="http://www.cocktaildb.com/ingr_detail?id=309" title="Falernum in the CocktailDB">CocktailDB</a> and others definitely identify ginger as being a component of falernum. As you say, it would seem to be a good candidate for a source of the peppery.</p>
<p>The question really becomes: is John D. Taylor&#8217;s Velvet Falernum the acme of falernums? Is it <em>the falernum</em> to attempt to reproduce?  It claims to be the Original Formula, but there have certainly been other brands, and the others may well have been what many drinks were designed for&#8230; some as thick and sweet as DeGroff&#8217;s recipe, others perhaps more fanciful, calling for ginger, vanilla and unnamed fruits and spices.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m preaching to the choir, of course, since this is damned near the same problem you document in the history of the Gimlet: Unsweetened Canadian Rose&#8217;s or Sweetened American?  Cordial or Juice?  High Fructose Corn Syrup or Cane Sugar as sweetener?  Is today&#8217;s product &#8212; even if it trades under the same name &#8212; anything like the one that Baker stocked his galley with?</p>
<p>Next time around I think I <em>will</em> try some ginger, and perhaps some allspice and a vanilla bean while I&#8217;m at it.  I think I&#8217;m satisfied with the zest method, though I know it to be &#8220;wrong&#8221; &#8230; the lime juice in VF makes it similar to Rose&#8217;s in some ways, and I&#8217;m not a fan of Rose&#8217;s (give me a G&amp;T with the juice of half a lime over a Gimlet any day). Hell, maybe I&#8217;ll marinate the zest <em>and</em> use the juice, for the authoritative earthiness of the oils and the bright notes of juice. </p>
<p>I probably won&#8217;t mix up another batch in the immediate future, but ultimately I think the target is a homemade falernum that passes the Corn &#8216;n Oil test.  If a mixture of falernum X and rum can make me think &#8220;Cuba Libre&#8221; then it&#8217;s probably just about perfect.  Given their origins and adherents, the similarities between the two can&#8217;t be coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm kicking myself with great vigor, here--after your initial falernum post, I mixed up a batch according to eGullet's recipe, and have been wondering ever since what to do with this bottle of incredibly sweet syrup (though it's not without its charms). Next batch will take its inspiration from the patented Slakethirst approach.

I'm wondering, though, since other descriptions of falernum sometimes mention a gingery taste, if the introduction of a bit of grated ginger to the mix could introduce the spicy, peppery component you were searching for. Not that I have any idea what I'm talking about--without a bottle of Velvet Falernum to use for taste comparison, I'm feeling my way through the dark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kicking myself with great vigor, here&#8211;after your initial falernum post, I mixed up a batch according to eGullet&#8217;s recipe, and have been wondering ever since what to do with this bottle of incredibly sweet syrup (though it&#8217;s not without its charms). Next batch will take its inspiration from the patented Slakethirst approach.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering, though, since other descriptions of falernum sometimes mention a gingery taste, if the introduction of a bit of grated ginger to the mix could introduce the spicy, peppery component you were searching for. Not that I have any idea what I&#8217;m talking about&#8211;without a bottle of Velvet Falernum to use for taste comparison, I&#8217;m feeling my way through the dark.</p>
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